tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694316.post542964234885161788..comments2024-03-27T20:10:46.984-07:00Comments on The Rambling Taoist: A Glass of WaterThe Rambling Taoisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04730292897416827840noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694316.post-78621755046707147112012-03-06T00:47:05.232-08:002012-03-06T00:47:05.232-08:00Ps just a thought there could be no full/empty wha...Ps just a thought there could be no full/empty whatsoever without the vessel ie the glass - perhaps the whole story is not about the water at all but about the vessel?Jennienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694316.post-73889594938924136912012-03-06T00:17:20.551-08:002012-03-06T00:17:20.551-08:00... & at that moment in time it is half a glas...... & at that moment in time it is half a glass of water & without liquid h2O humans die: by understanding that one gives oneself the space to b non-judgemental (half full/empty) & this allows one to perceive the influence that 'half a glass of water' has on you in this moment of time. So even if 'half a glass of water' is a metaphor or a parable the ah-ha moment is the same - as Trey mentioned last week "you can't bath in 'half a glass of water' " OR CAN YOU? (tho' the unit of measurement there was a teaspoon)Jennienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694316.post-7768986711599227322012-03-05T18:47:22.028-08:002012-03-05T18:47:22.028-08:00In the spirit of my personal "and-ism", ...In the spirit of my personal "and-ism", I think you can live by both principles. The ethical notion of mutual reciprocity turns up in many faiths and philosophical traditions. I think it boils down to "Avoid hypocrisy."baroness radonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14593108634484542286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694316.post-56484107872339866032012-03-05T17:50:30.113-08:002012-03-05T17:50:30.113-08:00It's actually a pretty thoughtful analysis her...It's actually a pretty thoughtful analysis here, Trey. I'm not sure that everyone is that cynical and selfish in all cases, that they only do the sheer minimum, but over all, you may be on to something in thinking the negetive might inspire more giving/effort.<br /><br />Good point, Joy. I guess it's more complicated than it seems. It might be clearer to say "do unto others as they would want done unto them" to avoid the BDSM weird cases, but it's not clearer at all, because how can you know wht the other wants? Sometimes we hurt even when we're truly trying to help. <br /><br />I think the point is that we can only know ourselves. Deep down, we know what is hurtful to us, and what is good; and using that as a standard, the point is to act in ways that would do the same for others. We can't know for sure it will be for the good but now you're getting down to whether good intentions really do "pave the road to hell." If an action intended well causes pain, was it a good or bad thing? <br /><br />Funny how even the simplest, most basic and universal moral axioms are immensely complicated.Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12704525078859327898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694316.post-44091451385844705972012-03-05T14:41:32.636-08:002012-03-05T14:41:32.636-08:00I agree with Trey on this one. The problem I have...I agree with Trey on this one. The problem I have with the Golden rule is that it operates on the assumption that I want the same thing you want. Don't assume anything about me; please ask first. For example, just because you are into BDSM, doesn't mean that I want to be treated that way. <br /><br />I also never liked the glass example: to me, if you were in the process of filling the glass it is only half-full; if you were pouring it out and stopped, it would be half-empty. So it depends on the situation. <br /> <br />Of course, here is the best answer over all:<br />Dear Optimist and Pessimist;<br />While you were arguing about the glass of water, I drank it.<br />Sincerely, <br />OpportunistJoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10694316.post-63401803774995304512012-03-05T13:46:02.050-08:002012-03-05T13:46:02.050-08:00Possibly... I'm not sure I see that it would m...Possibly... I'm not sure I see that it would matter one way or the other. I always liked the positive phrasing Jesus used, rather than the "thou shalt not's" of the OT, negetive and legalistic sounding to me.Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12704525078859327898noreply@blogger.com